What Is Wrong With the World??
Sep. 4th, 2008 11:56 am![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
hellison1. headline from bbcni re cervical cancer jab - "Girls urged to ABSTAIN in jab row"
why? Because its a dirty cancer you can get from SEX and obviously if you've been having sex you deserve it. Or... something.
More from the helpful FAQ here -
Colin Hart, Director of The Christian Institute, said the way to tackle the problem was not to offer injections, but to tell girls not to have under-age sex.
Ahh. So it's only *underage* sex that causes cancer. Good Girls won't get it, and thus don't need vaccinated. Well that's all clear then!
I know there are Other Issues around the vaccination and which version was chosen etc, but that's not what these people are saying. They're saying girls shouldn't be vaccinated against a potentially TERMINAL DISEASE, because then they might have sex! And we can't have that!!
Would there be the same outcry if it was discovered testicular cancer was also linked to a virus and teenage boys were offered it?
2. This article about date rape is making my head explode with WTF and RAGE. Because obviously if you go drinking with a guy who turns out not to care whether or not you're concious when he gets off on/in you, well that's YOUR fault you silly loose drunken woman. It's not like he's done anything WRONG, or should face any consequences for it! SKIN CRAWLING NOW.
SEND KITTENS PLZ. NEED HAPPY THOUGHTS.
ETA New Mistful Fic! and at lunchtime too. Couldn't have been better timed.
EDIT 2 - just to add, now the original RAGE has calmed slightly, this turned into a thought provoking discussion; a timely reminder the world isn't completley full of morons. Or at least my flist isn't ;) Thanks!
AAAAND if we can keep it civil kids, that would be good.![[livejournal.com profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/external/lj-userinfo.gif)
_unhurt_, I still have crutches. And I know where you live. Keep up the ranting tho. Rants Good. CIder better. MOAR CIDER
why? Because its a dirty cancer you can get from SEX and obviously if you've been having sex you deserve it. Or... something.
More from the helpful FAQ here -
Colin Hart, Director of The Christian Institute, said the way to tackle the problem was not to offer injections, but to tell girls not to have under-age sex.
Ahh. So it's only *underage* sex that causes cancer. Good Girls won't get it, and thus don't need vaccinated. Well that's all clear then!
I know there are Other Issues around the vaccination and which version was chosen etc, but that's not what these people are saying. They're saying girls shouldn't be vaccinated against a potentially TERMINAL DISEASE, because then they might have sex! And we can't have that!!
Would there be the same outcry if it was discovered testicular cancer was also linked to a virus and teenage boys were offered it?
2. This article about date rape is making my head explode with WTF and RAGE. Because obviously if you go drinking with a guy who turns out not to care whether or not you're concious when he gets off on/in you, well that's YOUR fault you silly loose drunken woman. It's not like he's done anything WRONG, or should face any consequences for it! SKIN CRAWLING NOW.
SEND KITTENS PLZ. NEED HAPPY THOUGHTS.
ETA New Mistful Fic! and at lunchtime too. Couldn't have been better timed.
EDIT 2 - just to add, now the original RAGE has calmed slightly, this turned into a thought provoking discussion; a timely reminder the world isn't completley full of morons. Or at least my flist isn't ;) Thanks!
AAAAND if we can keep it civil kids, that would be good.
_unhurt_, I still have crutches. And I know where you live. Keep up the ranting tho. Rants Good. CIder better. MOAR CIDER
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Date: 2008-09-05 01:50 pm (UTC)rape is sex without consent. so "date" rape is rape. if there was no consent it. was. rape.
this isn't advanced particle physics here you know!
there's no "not really rapey rape". lack of consent is what MAKES it rape. that's the DEFINITION. also, FEAR and FORCE are not quite the same thing. but, what, does the guy have to say the words "..or i'll kill you" before it's rape now? must the victim be able to show a sufficient number of bruises and lacerations?
excuse my SIMMERING RAGE but really. what the HELL?
i am so making educational flashcards or something.
p.s. you seem to be worried you might be accused of rape after drunken sexin'. maybe you should consider not getting drunk, if this keeps you awake at night? OH NO WAIT THAT WOULD BE AN UNFAIR AND RIDICULOUS RESTRICTION ON YOUR FREEDOM TO RUN YOUR LIFE AS YOU SEE FIT. unlike all the stuff women are supposed to do to avoid rape. that's quite different. they're women.
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Date: 2008-09-05 02:30 pm (UTC)Interesting, I don't recall differentiating between unconsensual sex and rape, my point was more to address the different elements. Perhaps I used a bad choice of words, in which case, mea culpa.
Still, thank you very much for your concern.
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Date: 2008-09-06 08:49 am (UTC)- Date rape is rape and it's a horrific, loathsome, vile thing.
- Rape with the threat of violence such as punching, stabbing, etc is worse.
- Rape with the use of violence such as punching, stabbing, etc is worse again.
- Rape culminating in murder from the use of violence is even more worserer.
The point isn't that date rape is less of a crime, in my opinion, just that the extra added shit makes it get even worse.
I come down on the side of the coin that says "Don't Fucking Rape!" rather than the side which says "Women, Know Your Limits!"