What Is Wrong With the World??
Sep. 4th, 2008 11:56 am![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
hellison1. headline from bbcni re cervical cancer jab - "Girls urged to ABSTAIN in jab row"
why? Because its a dirty cancer you can get from SEX and obviously if you've been having sex you deserve it. Or... something.
More from the helpful FAQ here -
Colin Hart, Director of The Christian Institute, said the way to tackle the problem was not to offer injections, but to tell girls not to have under-age sex.
Ahh. So it's only *underage* sex that causes cancer. Good Girls won't get it, and thus don't need vaccinated. Well that's all clear then!
I know there are Other Issues around the vaccination and which version was chosen etc, but that's not what these people are saying. They're saying girls shouldn't be vaccinated against a potentially TERMINAL DISEASE, because then they might have sex! And we can't have that!!
Would there be the same outcry if it was discovered testicular cancer was also linked to a virus and teenage boys were offered it?
2. This article about date rape is making my head explode with WTF and RAGE. Because obviously if you go drinking with a guy who turns out not to care whether or not you're concious when he gets off on/in you, well that's YOUR fault you silly loose drunken woman. It's not like he's done anything WRONG, or should face any consequences for it! SKIN CRAWLING NOW.
SEND KITTENS PLZ. NEED HAPPY THOUGHTS.
ETA New Mistful Fic! and at lunchtime too. Couldn't have been better timed.
EDIT 2 - just to add, now the original RAGE has calmed slightly, this turned into a thought provoking discussion; a timely reminder the world isn't completley full of morons. Or at least my flist isn't ;) Thanks!
AAAAND if we can keep it civil kids, that would be good.![[livejournal.com profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/external/lj-userinfo.gif)
_unhurt_, I still have crutches. And I know where you live. Keep up the ranting tho. Rants Good. CIder better. MOAR CIDER
why? Because its a dirty cancer you can get from SEX and obviously if you've been having sex you deserve it. Or... something.
More from the helpful FAQ here -
Colin Hart, Director of The Christian Institute, said the way to tackle the problem was not to offer injections, but to tell girls not to have under-age sex.
Ahh. So it's only *underage* sex that causes cancer. Good Girls won't get it, and thus don't need vaccinated. Well that's all clear then!
I know there are Other Issues around the vaccination and which version was chosen etc, but that's not what these people are saying. They're saying girls shouldn't be vaccinated against a potentially TERMINAL DISEASE, because then they might have sex! And we can't have that!!
Would there be the same outcry if it was discovered testicular cancer was also linked to a virus and teenage boys were offered it?
2. This article about date rape is making my head explode with WTF and RAGE. Because obviously if you go drinking with a guy who turns out not to care whether or not you're concious when he gets off on/in you, well that's YOUR fault you silly loose drunken woman. It's not like he's done anything WRONG, or should face any consequences for it! SKIN CRAWLING NOW.
SEND KITTENS PLZ. NEED HAPPY THOUGHTS.
ETA New Mistful Fic! and at lunchtime too. Couldn't have been better timed.
EDIT 2 - just to add, now the original RAGE has calmed slightly, this turned into a thought provoking discussion; a timely reminder the world isn't completley full of morons. Or at least my flist isn't ;) Thanks!
AAAAND if we can keep it civil kids, that would be good.
_unhurt_, I still have crutches. And I know where you live. Keep up the ranting tho. Rants Good. CIder better. MOAR CIDER
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Re: Addendum aka After Cogitation aka Possibly making an ASS out of U and ME
Date: 2008-09-05 07:22 pm (UTC)Which is why i'd like to see more discussion of why the hell some guys DO this, not why didn't the women do x, y or z to ensure some guy WOULDN'T do it. I said it elsewhere, but it's not women's responsibilty to make men NOT be rapists. It's men's responsibility to Not Rape People.
THe problem with grey areas is that, well, they're grey. There's always context and no hard and fast answer. Other than (I would say) if you're not sure, don't have the sex. That way there's no chance of getting it wrong.
ps there is nothing worse than having composed an excellent, masterful and arguement-clinching lj post/comment on the way home then FORGETTING it all when you sit down to type ;p
Re: Addendum aka After Cogitation aka Possibly making an ASS out of U and ME
Date: 2008-09-05 07:47 pm (UTC)I appreciate the fact that it's a man's responsibility not rape someone, but in all fairness shouldn't that be "it's also a man's responsibility"? Otherwise the burden shifts completely the other way and the emphasis (to my mind) seems to be "It's all at the feet of the men, women have no responsibility at all" which seems to me to be rendering them impotent. This may be a question of semantics, and I still don't have the luxury of sitting down for long and going through this (have to dash home this weekend, and I'm already running late).
Yes it's a man's responsibility not to rape. Equally, it's a person's responsibility not to steal, murder, commit arson etc. But we're not talking about deliberate wanton acts being carried out (at least I don't think so), this sounds more like we're talking about the idiocies being carried out, the thoughtless acts that step over into committing a crime.
Greater education about consent and greater discussion of the impacts are certainly an idea. The depressing thing is how whether those that should pay heed to this actually pay attention and take it in. That's not an excuse, merely a thought. This isn't to say we should give up, but how to convey it, that's the question.
Re the PS - yes, that's my excuse everytime ;p